Ask Mark Shuttleworth Anything 319
In addition to founding Canonical Ltd., the Ubuntu Foundation, and funding the Freedom Toaster, Mark Shuttleworth is a space enthusiast. In April 2002 Mark became the second self-funded space tourist and the first African in space. He spent eight days participating in experiments on the International Space Station as part of his $20 million trip. Now he's ready to answer your questions. Ask him anything you like, but please limit yourself to one question per post.
The Next Frontier? (Score:3, Interesting)
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If space is the final frontier, i would say that installing Ubuntu in the ISS is a previous step.
Anyway, i would say that getting major hardware vendors on board targetting consumers with desktop linux (included and/or providing proper drivers, like they do with Windows) should be the next one. Microsoft is giving a golden hand convincing everyone that they should go elsewhere, and Linux and Ubuntu are right there.
Debian (Score:2, Interesting)
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Does the Serval Project factor into your plans for Ubuntu in the mobile space, and if so, how?
BTW, thanks for funding it. I've been following the project for quite some time, and the strides that have been made in a short time are nothing short of amazing. I've got some crazy ideas about how I might leverage it to build decentralized voting systems, and may be offering you a new way to put that money of yours to good use if things go well.
Mars colonization (Score:3)
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Ubuntu Gaming (Score:5, Interesting)
Once Steam for Linux comes out on Ubuntu, what is the first game you will download and play?
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on a related note will steam for ubuntu be put in the software center or will it be treated as a competitor to your commercial offerings in the software center now that they sell more than just games?
People's Reactions (Score:5, Interesting)
I heard a story of you sitting in on a LUG dressed in a Darth Vader mask so people wouldn't recognise you until the end of the talk. Do you find that people treat you very differently now that you are famous, and seeing that a lot of people take exception to the direction you have taken Ubuntu? How do you deal with this, and what steps do you take to make sure you stay grounded in reality?
Unity (Score:5, Insightful)
Prior Comments on Unity Criticism (Score:5, Informative)
Dude. Really. WTF?
Although it doesn't fully address "WTF?", he has spoken about this in prior interviews [techcentral.co.za]:
DM: Ubuntu has adopted a new user interface called Unity. That seems well suited to tablet devices. Is this part of a plan to extend Ubuntu on tablets and other mobile computing and touch-based platforms?
MS: We haven’t said that, and it’s not the right time for me to say any such thing. [Laughs.] But if you look at it, Unity is born of an era where touch is important, and we’ve done quite a bit of work around touch generally and it brings a level of clarity and device-like simplicity to Linux desktops that just hadn’t been there before.
DM: Unity has attracted a fair share of criticism.
MS: Sure, it created something of a storm. The idea for us was we wanted to bring design-led engineering to the Linux desktop so we followed a fairly rigorous process of design. That meant testing assumptions and evaluating each little change on the basis of some realistic test of how people reacted to change. It is a fairly radical shift from where we were previously but we can see a fairly clear roadmap of where we want to get to over the next few months and years and not all of that is evident in the release so far.
[Unity] has raised the bar for usability on the Linux desktop. That’s not to say it’s without its issues. There are some quite definite issues in that first release, but when we did a detailed review of that versus the alternatives, it came out well ahead. It was the right one for us to ship at the time.
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[Unity] has raised the bar for usability on the Linux desktop.
My girlfriend would disagree. We run Unity on the netbook and she's continually asking where some random window has disappeared to and why she can't find the menu bar.
Unity made some useful changes for small screen devices like the netbook, but overall it's a disaster for Linux usability. Now I'm running XFCE on my laptop I'll probably switch the netbook over to it as well.
Re:Prior Comments on Unity Criticism (Score:5, Funny)
[Unity] has raised the bar for usability on the Linux desktop.
My girlfriend would disagree. We run Unity on the netbook and she's continually asking where some random window has disappeared to and why she can't find the menu bar.
Unity made some useful changes for small screen devices like the netbook, but overall it's a disaster for Linux usability. Now I'm running XFCE on my laptop I'll probably switch the netbook over to it as well.
Most people that have been using computers dislike Unity. Your girlfriend is with most of the rest of the computing world.
Err, wait that came out wrong. Unity was supposed to be targeted at a more general computing audience but is missing the mark. What I mean is that Mark Shuttleworth wants to get with your girlfriend.
Dammit, that wasn't what I meant either.
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Nonsense. Mac OSX UI is ok, one can tell where the windows went.
Windows 8 UI is dumbed down garbage just like Unity though.
How about we don't let YOU near any UI design group, you've no discernment nor wisdom
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I don't really see how it's remotely possible she "can't tell where the windows went".
There is a bug in Unity where the window sometimes disappear when minimizing.
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"Raising the bar" makes something harder. That might not be what you want for a desktop interface!
Re:Prior Comments on Unity Criticism (Score:4, Insightful)
They've lowered the amount of usable screen space though. also the number of tasks that can be dealt with in an efficient manner as opposed to a mature windowing environment. Raising the level of uselessness, as it were.
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Sorry, say what you like about Unity, this is total BS. Removing the bottom bar, and integrating window menus with the top one has definately freed screen space. The Dash thingy on the side uses space, but on widescreens there's plenty of it horizontally. Also, autohide.
I seem to be one of the only users positive about unity. It doesnt get into my way, its simplicity reminds me of good old windowmaker, which I've used several years, and it combines fine with lots of virtual desktops, which has been my prefe
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> "Raising the bar" makes something harder. That might not be what you want for a desktop interface!
Using the newer interfaces, unity, win8, gnome3 is like dancing the limbo: raising the bar would be a welcome change.
Re:Unity (Score:5, Insightful)
or into Ubuntu derivatives such as Linux Mint where they actually have standard good UIs installed like Mate and Cinnamon
Windows 8 (Score:2, Informative)
Windows 8 has been launched and did not receive a very warm welcome from the market so there's another chance for Ubuntu and although Apple's OS X is a nice alternative, Ubuntu would even be better, however when looking 'in the field' (European Enterprise, SME, ) there is so much Windows (custom applications, custom hardware, widely used applications etc etc etc) that the cost and process of replacing those is too complex and too expensive. And as always, end user like evolution, not revolution.
Wouldn't it
Re:Windows 8 (Score:4, Interesting)
except that Unity presents the user with the same ilk of garbage UI that windows 8 has. Follow the leader as they auger into the ground.....
Actually, that is not true. Real world studies show that Windows users don't have too difficult of a time with Unity. The "lens" button needs to be more prevalent and it would be better if the menus didn't disappear but overall, the interface is fairly useable for the average desktop user (which may not mean the average linux user). Windows 8, on the other hand does not test so well.
The Last Question (Score:4, Funny)
"Can entropy be reversed?"
Re:The Last Question (Score:5, Funny)
yes
sudo apt-get remove account-plugin-aim account-plugin-facebook account-plugin-flickr account-plugin-google account-plugin-icons account-plugin-identica account-plugin-jabber account-plugin-salut account-plugin-twitter account-plugin-windows-live account-plugin-yahoo activity-log-manager-common activity-log-manager-control-center adium-theme-ubuntu aisleriot apg appmenu-gtk appmenu-gtk3 appmenu-qt apturl apturl-common bamfdaemon baobab bluez-gstreamer branding-ubuntu brasero brasero-cdrkit brasero-common checkbox checkbox-qt compiz compiz-core compiz-gnome compiz-plugins-default cracklib-runtime cryptsetup-bin dconf-tools deja-dup duplicity dvd+rw-tools empathy empathy-common eog evolution-data-server evolution-data-server-common example-content folks-common freerdp-x11 gedit gedit-common geoclue geoclue-ubuntu-geoip gir1.2-accounts-1.0 gir1.2-dbusmenu-glib-0.4 gir1.2-dee-1.0 gir1.2-gdata-0.0 gir1.2-gnomebluetooth-1.0 gir1.2-gnomekeyring-1.0 gir1.2-goa-1.0 gir1.2-gst-plugins-base-0.10 gir1.2-gstreamer-0.10 gir1.2-gtksource-3.0 gir1.2-indicate-0.7 gir1.2-messagingmenu-1.0 gir1.2-notify-0.7 gir1.2-peas-1.0 gir1.2-rb-3.0 gir1.2-signon-1.0 gir1.2-syncmenu-0.1 gir1.2-totem-1.0 gir1.2-totem-plparser-1.0 gir1.2-ubuntuoneui-3.0 gir1.2-unity-5.0 gnome-bluetooth gnome-contacts gnome-control-center gnome-control-center-data gnome-control-center-signon gnome-desktop3-data gnome-disk-utility gnome-font-viewer gnome-icon-theme-symbolic gnome-mahjongg gnome-media gnome-menus gnome-online-accounts gnome-orca gnome-power-manager gnome-screensaver gnome-screenshot gnome-session gnome-session-bin gnome-session-canberra gnome-session-common gnome-settings-daemon gnome-system-log gnome-system-monitor gnome-terminal gnome-terminal-data gnome-user-share growisofs gstreamer0.10-gconf guile-1.8-libs gwibber gwibber-service gwibber-service-facebook gwibber-service-identica gwibber-service-twitter hwdata indicator-appmenu indicator-datetime indicator-messages indicator-power indicator-printers indicator-session intel-gpu-tools landscape-client-ui-install libaccount-plugin-1.0-0 libaccounts-glib0 libaccounts-qt1 libatk-adaptor libatk-adaptor-data libaudio2 libavahi-gobject0 libbamf3-0 libboost-date-time1.49.0 libbrasero-media3-1 libcamel-1.2-40 libcanberra-gtk-module libcanberra-gtk0 libcanberra-pulse libclutter-1.0-0 libclutter-1.0-common libclutter-gst-1.0-0 libclutter-gtk-1.0-0 libcmis-0.2-2 libcogl-common libcogl-pango0 libcogl9 libcompizconfig0 libcrack2 libcrypt-passwdmd5-perl libcryptsetup4 libcurl3-nss libdbusmenu-qt2 libdecoration0 libdee-1.0-4 libdiscid0 libdmapsharing-3.0-2 libebackend-1.2-5 libebook-1.2-14 libecal-1.2-15 libedata-book-1.2-15 libedata-cal-1.2-18 libedataserver-1.2-17 libexempi3 libexttextcat-1.0-0 libexttextcat-data libfolks-eds25 libfolks-telepathy25 libfolks25 libfreerdp-plugins-standard libfreerdp1 libgail-common libgail18 libgdata-common libgdata13 libgexiv2-1 libglew1.8 libglewmx1.8 libgmime-2.6-0 libgnome-control-center1 libgnome-desktop-3-4 libgnome-media-profiles-3.0-0 libgnome-menu2 libgnomekbd-common libgnomekbd8 libgoa-1.0-0 libgoa-1.0-common libgpgme11 libgpod-common libgpod4 libgtksourceview-3.0-0 libgtksourceview-3.0-common libgtkspell-3-0 libgweather-3-1 libgweather-common libgwibber-gtk3 libgwibber3 libhyphen0 libjs-jquery liblircclient0 liblouis-data liblouis2 liblvm2app2.2 libmessaging-menu0 libmetacity-private0a libmission-control-plugins0 libmng1 libmtp-common libmtp-runtime libmtp9 libmusicbrainz5-0 libmx-1.0-2 libmx-bin libmx-common libmysqlclient18 libmythes-1.2-0 libneon27-gnutls libnux-3.0-0 libnux-3.0-common liboauth0 libpackagekit-glib2-14 libpam-freerdp libpeas-1.0-0 libpeas-common libprotobuf7 libprotoc7 libproxy1-plugin-gsettings libproxy1-plugin-networkmanager libpth20 libpwquality1 libpython3.2 libqjson0 libqt4-dbus libqt4-declarative libqt4-designer libqt4-help libqt4-network libqt4-script libqt4-scripttools libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-sql-sqlite libqt4-svg libqt4-test libqt4-xml libqt4-xmlpatterns libqtassistantclient4 libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libqtwebkit4 libquvi-scripts
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Re:The Last Question (Score:4, Informative)
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you can do it in one step with "apt-get remove --purge"
African? (Score:2, Troll)
So, if he moved to the US, and became a citizen, he would be "African American"? Not sure that would go over very well with the Politically Correct Class.
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I know some white south africans who became US citizens and to answer your question, no, the politically correct class does not like them very much at all when they self-identify as afro-american. Especially WRT college admissions quotas and such. I lost track of those guys after high school but I assume they're still confusing HR personnel to this day.
Re:African? (Score:5, Funny)
Indeed. I know a white South African who is now a US citizen. He annoys HR guys.
HR: "So, it says here you're African-American."
Him: "Yup."
HR: "...but you're white."
Him: "You never asked my skin color. My parents are South African. I was born in South Africa. I grew up in South Africa. I spent much of my adult life in South Africa. I've since immigrated to the US and am a US citizen. How could I be anything other than African-American?"
HR: "..."
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I'm the other way around: I grew up in the US then moved to (and am now a citizen of) South Africa. Unfortunately, there isn't a status of 'African-American' in the affirmative action sections of applications here...
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Teresa Heinz [baltimoresun.com] comes to mind.
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I love the fact that this got modded down, thus proving my point. To the person who modded me down, well done sir. Political Correctness in a nutshell!
Tablets (Score:4)
Hi Mark! It seems based on your blog and other sources that an Ubuntu tablet is definitely planned and should be in the works at least sometime in the next year. When do you think consumers will be able to walk into any decently-sized electronic store and pick up an Ubuntu-based tablet?
Advertising (Score:2)
What's with the advertising in launchpad and the software center in 12.10 and can it be disabled (I'd be willing to pay to get rid of it)?
Did NASA cry about your visit to the ISS too? (Score:3)
Did NASA bitch and whine about your trip on your ISS too, the way they did Dennis Tito (for daring to be a space tourist on a Russian rocket instead of a proper American-Non-Commie-John-Wayne one)?
Governmental Roles In Space? (Score:5, Interesting)
Space Sickness (Score:2)
The Freedom Toaster (Score:3)
I just wanted to say that I was very excited when I first heard the phrase "Freedom Toaster", but felt sad and let down when I found out that it was actually a CD writer.
Is there any way that toasted bread can be used bring about individual liberty?
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I was very excited when I first heard the phrase "Freedom Toaster"
You mean there is already a French Toaster?
Oracle certification (Score:5, Interesting)
Unity? (Score:4, Insightful)
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Did this involve actual computer usage?
Cool hack (Score:5, Interesting)
(Insert my standard question for all ask /. tech people)
Describe a hack that you personally participated in that you find cool. Not you paid someone to ... or I once saw someone else ... or you bought something cool that ... I mean traditional hack like "identify problem" "flash of insight in ur brain" "minutes to days of sweat using techie tools" "something cool now exists, lookit". I don't care about the subject as long as its vaguely slashdot style technical and you think its cool and the slashdot audience would think its cool. The coolest hack is not necessarily the biggest or most famous, either. Maybe you have a hobby where you personally programmed the worlds coolest christmas light display on your house, or you handmade a truly elaborate model railroad fully articulated draw bridge, I donno, whatever floats your boat. TLDR just tell your hack story, and make it cool.
The two stages of software development (Score:2)
There's the fun part: writing code, showing off your mental agility, creating stuff, adding the features you would want (and that are easy to do)
Then there's the work part: everything else: the testing, integration, support and documentation.
People love doing the creative bit - they'd probably even pay their employers to let them make software. However they hate every other aspect of producing a professional product. So whenever p
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South Africa (Score:3, Insightful)
Losing its Lustre (Score:5, Insightful)
Do you feel that Ubuntu might be losing its way amongst the more technical users with some of the decisions that are being made? For example, forcing a beta-level UI onto users for 3 versions of Ubuntu from 11.04-12.04, integrating paid search results from Amazon etc. Linux Mint, which is rapidly growing in popularity, would seem to be a backlash against Unity and is a splintering of Ubuntu (in fact the vast majority of packages are identical to Ubuntu). Do you therefore feel that Ubuntu's popularity has reached its peak and is at risk of stagnating or declining?
Canonical producing hardware (Score:2)
How to succeed on the desktop? (Score:5, Interesting)
Linux is a huge success in mobile. Linux is a huge success in servers (and Ubuntu in particular seems to be doing very well in servers, congratulations).
But Linux on the desktop seems to be going nowhere fast [netmarketshare.com] as far as market share is concerned.
In your opinion, what would have to happen in order for Linux to start gaining ground in the desktop?
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Lose Unity.
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Before that, getting rid of Unity is the first step. It's not a desktop interface, and it's not helping desktop adoption.
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Depends. How long will you be able to buy a 2004-era ThinkPad?
Why not systemd? (Score:5, Insightful)
Lots of distributions are moving to systemd. Why not try to merge some of the upstart functionality into systemd, as it looks like a superior design, and use it rather than developing a parallel but incompatible alternative?
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One word:
udev
Linus is very annoyed with the stuff they've been doing to udev. You don't upset Linus.
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Basically upstart was first and they went through a cylce of bug fixes that they didn't want to repeat for systemd just because other people chose it.
They actually are using and shipping systemd for the udev stuff, but not as the init daemon.
its a very pragmatic strategy that they may revisit after waiting for redhat, suse and others to find/fix all of the bugs in systemd so they don't have to suffer through that again.
Why still on debian? (Score:2, Insightful)
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Mr. Shuttleworth, do you know someone that can hunt down parent poster and shred his geek card into tiny pieces?
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Mr. Shuttleworth, do you know someone that can hunt down parent poster and shred his geek card into tiny pieces?
Perché mai? Hai mai riportato un bug per Ubuntu?
Prooova!
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Nice to know the entire audience of slashdot learned Italian. About time.
I filed a bug report for debian, obviously it was a debian installer problem, else I'd have gone upstream.
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In the meanwhile I had switched back to my previous distro. Full stop.
You found a bug in Ubuntu and you correctly filed it to Debian. In order to do the same I should have been able to reproduce it on Debian first. But I'm too lazy for that.
And, I'm sorry, here it's just noi due. None else. Slashdot audience is 99.999 American, not even Anglophone.
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In veritas the bug was in debian, anyway if things go upstream it doesn't really matter if they get there from debian or ubuntu, giusto?
And it's not true slashdot is almost all angloamerican: microsoft and apple shills are outsourced.
Canonical vs. Red Hat (Score:3)
Your viewpoint on how Ubuntu and Canonical contributes back to the community notwithstanding, there seems to be a stark difference between the management style of Red Hat and that of Canonical.
The perception raised with Unity is that Canonical has decided to diverge from upstream more and more: this is evident from the problems that the Debian project (which contributes the majority of code to Ubuntu) is facing, as well as GNOME and the dissent with the upcoming signed boot EFI implementations.
Red Hat (and the Fedora project) is trying to prevent the balkanization of Linux userspace with projects like systemd, which only Ubuntu rejects.
Red Hat's business model seems to be very successful, and Canonical, despite it's massive desktop market share, doesn't seem to be able to match it in reputation or revenue. Would you attribute this to Red Hat's deeper involvement in the kernel community and higher technical skills?
How much money goes to Debian.org? (Score:3, Interesting)
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Probably more than what Ubuntu derivatives are giving to Canonical, Amazon to Anroid developement, BLAG to Fedora, or Debian to various sub-projects...
I fear Debian is not getting much money from (commercial) derivatives. I think they use the money in some other way [debian.org].
What would be Ubuntu without Debian? A Gentoo or Fedora or Slackware derivative?
Probably yes. With the same issues and my very same question!
Orange? (Score:2)
Orange is very pervasive throughout Ubuntu, but isn't often used elsewhere, at least not in the US. I'm wondering if this is your favorite color, or if it is more popular in South Africa, or if there is some other reason that orange was chosen as Ubuntu's signature color/
Microsoft closing the gap (Score:4, Interesting)
Over the last several years, Microsoft has done much to close the gap in terms of performance, stability and security. What do you see as Ubuntu/Linux's primary selling points on the desktop now, as opposed to the early years of the Ubuntu project when Windows had significant problems in these areas?
Balance between software freedom and usability? (Score:5, Insightful)
Quality (Score:5, Interesting)
I used Linux for over a decade as my main OS, eventually ending up on Ubuntu. When I started using Linux, it had a reputation for being rock-solid and about as stable as you can possibly get, and I was happy with that. Newer hardware wasn't supported very well, but older hardware support was unparalleled. This was also reflected in the beginning of Ubuntu - I seem to recall you had a push to make sure the hardware on every laptop model was supported as best it could be.
However as the years progressed, I found Linux becoming more and more buggy and unstable. The final straw was when I tried to upgrade Ubuntu, and not only had I lost hardware support for several things, but there were even crashes upon loading the LiveCD installer (this was solid hardware that lasted for a couple more years). I bounced around trying to find the stability from years ago, but never found it. Today, I'm using OS X, which is far more stable than Linux in the last few years I was using it.
What happened?
Adobe Creative Suite on Ubuntu (Score:5, Interesting)
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Have you considered actually trying to make money of reselling closed source apps ?
Personally, I would pay the same price I pay for Windows+Office Bundle for a linux distribution which can run a full version of excel with macros (too many apps I use have Excel Plugins). For the above user, it seems Adobe Creative suite is what is the barrier.
I always wondered why you would go with Unity and Search advertising when the easier path would have been to just resell MS Office / Ado
Why did you insist on Amazon integration? (Score:3)
Why did you insist on integrating Amazon searches into the product despite users' concerns and complaints to the contrary? A large body of users including myself consider this to be abhorrent and a step back to the dark ages of sponsored software (remember Bonzi Buddy)?
touch screen vs keyboard & mouse interface (Score:3, Interesting)
two parter:
1. Do you think the touch screen interface already the standard on phones and tablets will replace the traditional standard of keyboard & mouse interface on desktops/laptops in the next 5 years, 10 years, 20 years?
2. On a desktop/laptop, do you think a touch screen interface would be as functional/productive/efficient as keyboard & mouse?
thanks
Primarily KDE (Score:3)
Quality Assurance (Score:3)
Blazing Trails (Score:2)
Android (Score:4, Interesting)
Relations with upstream (Score:2)
What is the policy of Canonical regarding work with upstream projects, like GNOME? While some other parties are working quite closely with upstream (for example, RedHat is working very closely with GNOME, and GNOME is working closely with gstreamer), Canonical is inclined to make stuff in-house (SSO, online accounts, Unity etc.).
would you rather... (Score:3)
Now that the NASA orbiters are museum pieces... (Score:3)
...answer the question that's been burning in our minds. Just what is a Shuttle worth?
Rorschach (?) (Score:2)
UI jokes (Score:2)
Canonical as upstart upstream (Score:2)
Distribution concept, too frequent releases (Score:2)
In my view, Linux in general and Ubuntu in particular is greatly harmed by the concept of monolitic "distributions". Besides hardware drivers, this has been in my experience the biggest obstacle to Linux/Ubuntu adoption.
From the point of view of a Windows user, having to upgrade the whole system and _all other apps_ just to get the new version of one single app, is asinine. As a Linux advocate, I had many people I tried to make use Linux return back to windows just for this single reason alone. An Ubuntu ap
Desktop Android? (Score:2)
Upstream contribution (Score:2)
Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:A couple of questions (Score:5, Funny)
Ask him anything you like, but please limit yourself to one question per post.
What part of one question per post did you not understand?
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I thought we weren't supposed to read the articles/links in Slashdot! Ok, I'm splitting things up.
But it was in the summary.
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Re:A couple of questions (Score:5, Interesting)
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When Red Hat, Suse, etc ... finish it
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Ubuntu 13.04
Holy Cow! Someone has broken the space-time continuum and posted from the FUTURE! Check the Twin Pines Mall for Libyans driving a Volkswagon bus.
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NOBODY got ANY excuse WHATSOEVER for not using shell scripting & co like normal people.
Right O! I'll tell my grandpa to stop being such a pussy straight away! It's about time he learned how to use a computer properly, like the rest of us!
Get out of your bubble.