Ask a Studio Head How To Get Into the Movie Business 170
Larry Meistrich started making movies with next to no money. He's the founder and chairman of NEHST Studios, "a diversified film production, financing and distribution company" that opened its doors in May, 2007. As the above links show, Larry is a serious expert on the inner workings of the movie and TV production business, with a long string of production successes on his resume. Ask him whatever you like. Usual interview rules apply. And who knows? Maybe NEHST will finance your next movie.
IANAMM (Score:5, Insightful)
Grab your friends, find a camcorder, write a script, download some software, make a movie.
Then make another.
And another.
Keep doing it until you get good at it. It take an incredible amount of time and determination. You spend a lot of money.
Somewhere along the way you become part of the "movie making community." Profit!
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That's how you become a director or writer. It's not how you become a producer, crew member, agent or any of the other positions in the entertainment industry. You get those by bringing coffee to the people who already do those things.
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Actually, for this goal, the start is pretty much "join the air force". Most commercial jet pilots were air force pilots.
Re:IANAMM (Score:5, Interesting)
Actually, you're off.
To fly commercial aircraft such as that, you need a commercial rating, and thousands of hours of pilot in command time on multiengine heavy jet aircraft. For average joe, that's not going to happen.
That was a goal of mine when I was a kid. I wanted to fly. I've flown small aircraft. I went to college at one of the best universities studying aeronautical science. When I wasn't in class, I was talking to people around town. I'd mention that I was going to school there, and they'd say "Oh, I got my bachelors in aeronautical science two/three/four years ago". They'd be working in restaurants, or small shops. Nothing like what they had just spent 4 years and a fortune trying to reach.
Before I went to the university, I started learning to fly at a small airport. My instructor had graduated from there too. He was a flight instructor to build up his hours, so when he had thousands of hours he could hopefully get a job with some crappy airline. Until then, he was teaching people how to fly.
As time went on, I found out the sad truth. If you want to be an airline pilot, you need to have been a military pilot with thousands of hours in multiengine jet aircraft, preferably heavy aircraft. You also have to have an excellent safety record. If you had serious incidents that were unclassified, they won't touch you. Even then, there's plenty of competition, and the pay isn't all that great. It's worthwhile to the airline to hire someone who already has their military pension, who's looking for a bit of supplemental income.
I can't go into the military. I had surgery on one of my eyes, which categorically precludes me from joining the military at all. Even if I joined, because I don't have a bachelors degree, I can't obtain an officer rank, and therefore cannot be a pilot. I could be ground crew, but that's about it.
Now, on to the on topic part.
I lived in LA for a while. I knew quite a few "aspiring" actors, as well as extras and other somewhat connected people. My wife worked as an extra for years. They're treated as the cattle that fills in the gaps in a scene. To make it from nobody to being an actor/actress/producer/director takes a lot of knowing the right people, and an awful more dumb luck. Being in the right place, at the right time, with the right look, and the right attitude, is what it takes. Oh, and lets not forget the unions/guilds. If I remember the SAG rules correctly, it takes 3 vouchers to be considered, and those vouchers come from the studio or a few other people. If you don't have a SAG card, you can't get a speaking role. Occasionally (very occasionally) they need someone to say something, and that person didn't show, or whatever. They may like you, because you're personable, or because you got hinky with the right person in his/her trailer right before the shoot. (getting hinky doesn't qualify you for anything other than a STD, but it can help).
Say they're shooting a commercial, and they need one more person to say "Ummm, that's good.", and you get picked out of the dozens of other extras they have standing around, then you may get a voucher, and may (oh my gosh) be on your way to advanced extradom, where you can get crappy walk-on parts and say your one line.
I don't have much of an interest in standing in front of a camera. A few extra parts came up on the extra lines (you call in and see what they're looking for), where they needed a car, a dog, or whatever. My wife and our dog showed up on CSI New York once.
I was looking at something more interesting to me. Consulting for IT stuff on movies and/or tv
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the difference between "commercial" and "private" is pretty much how often you have to take your medical exam. Airlines are hiring kids these days with only a couple hundred hours of time, then running them through type-rating and then sticking them on the line.
I took
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Not to skip the rest, but....
The surgery wasn't lasik. I actually had a congenital cataract in one eye. It started getting worse about the time I was 18. I joined the military when I was 19, and they kicked me out when my vision couldn't be corrected to 20/20 with glasses. Right after I got out, I went and had it surgically removed. That was right around 1992 or 1993. I've had no bad effects from the surgery, but it removes me from the possibility of serving in the mil
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Wish you all the best then good sir. It's posts like yours that make /. a daily joy for me.
On topic: I think some earlier posters are right on the money regarding skipping the whole process of expecting someone else to make you a star.
Buy a domain name. Get a good hosting deal with generous download allowances. Build that website, call your friends, write a script, get a digital video camera, play with Sony Vegas or Adobe Premiere.
My own IRL example: A girl from my high school got featured in the A
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That was a goal of mine when I was a kid. I wanted to fly. I've flown small aircraft. I went to college at one of the best universities studying aeronautical science. When I wasn't in class, I was talking to people around town. I'd mention that I was going to school there, and they'd say "Oh, I got my bachelors in aeronautical science two/three/four years ago". They'd be working in restaurants, or small shops. Nothing like what they had just spent 4 years and a fortune trying to reach.
Hey Sioux Sioux!!
If you don't know what that means, then you did NOT go to the best aeronautical science school.
UND FTW!
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So my question is, if you want to make work to impress people in the industry, do they prefer simple things, done professionally, or things that have potential in being extravagant, but still have that 'amateur' feel?
My other question is how much are screenwriters/director's controlled by their sponsors/studios? How much freedom do they get in their movies?
~Jarik
VFX editing, VFX artist, your reel. (Score:3, Interesting)
Special effects are on set, visual effects are post production. A visual effects editor is an editor whose job is not to edit the movie, but to edit the VFX shots from different post houses into the cut. On a big budget effects driven flick, you might have multiple houses (ILM, DD, and 5 smaller houses) working on the same movie. These houses will be sending editorial updated composites all the time, and it's the job of a VFX editor to manage the cut,
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From what you said, I think I'd be compositor. I primarily work in After Effects. Got my own little mini-business with some mates who do projects, DVDs and whatnot for people. I usually end up doing effects-heavy montages, DVD menu's, etc etc. Hired doing rotoscoping....*shudders*...but I guess you gotta start somewhere.
I'll also check out those two FX sites. Another good one is www.videocopilot.net - free topnotch AE video tutorials which are easy to understand, but have
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I'll have a look at Fusion and Shake sometime. So far been a pure Adobe-fanboy, but nothing hurts by trying other stuff! For the moment though, I'll stay to the "Everything on the internet is free" until I have the money to buy one of those packages...
A mate of mine I do work with actually managed to find a freelance small company exactly what you said - doing corporate videos. I think I'd enjoy that. Advertisements and whatnot quite often are heavy in sp
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I'll keep it in mind, and have a go at learning node-based compositing software. That fxphd thing looks really cool too. And yeah, once I start making serious money besides cash sales to family/friends/school I'll probably buy my software. And 'tis a shame about machinina and AMVs - you're right, a lot of people really don't know what the original footage looked like, and thus dunno the kinda editing work put into doi
Like anything else (Score:5, Interesting)
The question I would have is this: How do you get your demo in front of the right people? Persistence? Dumb luck? A little of both perhaps?
Do what George Lucas did to get his break (Score:3, Interesting)
Its how Lucas got his first film (THX 1138) made. (he pitched it to Warner Bros who said no, then Warner Bros was brought out by someone else, then Lucas went back and said that Warner had said yes pre-buyout and got enough money to make his film)
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Well, many people fail to realize that finding and cultivating those "connections" is a job in itself. If you have people skills, and are good with them, often that will get you further than just pure talent and skill.
Doing lots of drugs with movie people work? (Score:4, Interesting)
Liability for composing the soundtrack? (Score:4, Insightful)
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At very high levels that, coincidentally, are difficult to reach this does not happen as much. Before one gets their "big break" there's LOTS of plagarism.
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A big part of getting a movie made is putting together an insurance package that makes the guys with money happy.
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http://www.google.com/sear [google.com]
I'm already in the movie business... (Score:5, Funny)
What do I do with my immortal soul? (Score:5, Funny)
Hi Larry ;-) (Score:5, Interesting)
The Internet has a number of plays out there for self-distribution and self-promotion. A lot of these avenues are relatively fresh, so it is hard to tell, but by your judgment, are there any self-promotion or self-distribution avenues that are absolutely must-have for an indie movie maker? I'm thinking perhaps of things like the Withoutabox [withoutabox.com] system, or Massify [massify.com].
Is it prudent to publish on YouTube before making any other distribution deals to get the word out? Or does this put you in an unattractive bargaining position with potential distributors, online or off, such that your content is already out there, even though in lo-res quality?
As for "And who knows? Maybe NEHST will finance your next movie." see my site [bangamovie.com].
And thanks again.
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The ability to take 1000 rejections before 1001 throws you a bone. It's not the first movie that makes you famous or rich or whatever. It's the fourth or fifth successful one.
Most of those promotion systems aren't going to work out. They are working on the 10,000 monkey notion that a classic will eventually be made. What works is, "Sell! Sell! Sell!" As in you being a pest about it absolutely everywhere.
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Drop me a note offline, I'm curious what kind of promotional tools you are looking for and how we can fill that void.
how do i contact you offline? (Score:2)
there's no way on massify to contact the cto
Is it possible to make a profit with union labor? (Score:5, Interesting)
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With the internet, does it matter where the film production takes place? I think not.
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Don't blame the creative and production unions for everything. They continue to be a response to the unreasonable demands that Producers put on them. The creative and production sides have worked for decades to protect the value and safety of their work.
Now, Joe Schmoe indie studio guy won't put it to you
I've got an idea for a movie! (Score:4, Funny)
Did I mention his best friend's a talking pie?
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Learning from mistakes (Score:2)
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Why, they've adapted very well to making horrible movies. They do it all of the time -- hiring Uwe Boll, for instance.
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They are also responsible for taking good work and gutting it too. Look at all the bad movies that have been made from great books. Charlotte's Web comes to my mind. (Yeah, I'm a HUGE E.B. White fan)
No matter how much market research, pre-screenings, etc they use, their odds of success have only gotten _slightly_ better because it's so hard to make movies.
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with a long string of production successes on his resume.
I'm sorry, but someone who has ONE major hit in his entire career is not someone you look to for advice on 'breaking into the movie business.' He was executive producer on Sling Blade- more than ten years ago. The rest is made-for-TV stuff and 15 minute shorts. Another shining star on his resume: a 2009 remake of The Saint. Yeah, that movie with Val Kilmer. That would make it the second remake of the 1962 film...
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Well, we're looking at our second Incredible Hulk movie in 5 years or so.
The second sequel to The Highlander basically pretended the insane first sequel didn't even happen.
It's not like multiple remakes of the same film have never happened -- sometimes to try to work around the fact that someone did a really atrocious job of making the previous one.
Cheers
Selling a Script (Score:5, Interesting)
I have lots of ideas for screenplays, and I realize that the chance of anyone important ever reading them is about a million to one. But even my best scripts sound like crap in an 'elevator pitch.' How does one work around this?
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One thing I've learned is that a new writer trying to sell a spec script is pretty much like a beach bum trying to sell ice cubes to Eskimos.
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B) And how can I apply it to my tax returns?
I'd love to be able to show that I've never made a profit even after taking in millions.
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Basically, Hollywood accounting is paying your film-making subsidiary pay your other subsidiaries huge amounts of money for their work, so that the film does not make money, but your subsidiaries do. Therefore, anyone expecting a percentage of the profits from the movie (or presumably, legal liabilities resulting from the movie, although IANAL), have no recourse, as the money is not associated with the company that made the movie.
As for why you cannot do it with your tax returns, well, the government gets
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You forgot the other half. You know, no-KY (it's Hell after all)...
I just have one question (Score:3, Funny)
I mean, let's be honest here. That guy didn't make a single movie worth the time it takes to watch it, let's not talk about money. His movies are invariably in every "worst. movies. ever." list there is. And even trash movie fans won't touch his junk with a ten foot pole.
Can anyone explain the miracle of where he gets his funding? I mean, if you can solve that mystery, it should be trivial to get money just the same way. I mean, people who are willing to pump money into a movie that you know will bomb might actually finance a movie that has a slim chance to be gold.
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that's how he does it: you can't lose money backing a money losing film made by uwe boll. he basically has exploited a financial loop hole that the german goverment instituted in a well-meaning way to get german movies made, but instead their law got raped by a troll called boll making bad non-german movies based on video games
the good news: the germans repealed the law awhile back [comingsoon.net]
so how and why is he still making movies?
because of comments like yours. no, really: the first rule of public
How not to sell the rights? (Score:5, Interesting)
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yes.
0 - find and get 16mm film camera and lenses. 35mm is better. shoot on this video will NOT get you in the big festivals.
1 - have a GOOD and INNOVATIVE script. (most important)
2 - get good actors for free.
2.5 - get a good DP for free.
3 - get a good editor for free.
4 - show movie to dentists and other rich people that wish to do the things that rich people do and get them to front you the cash to
DP? (Score:3, Funny)
In my experience, a good DP costs at least four times your companions usual hourly rate.
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This may be changing...using a RED One [red.com] 4K Camera, Joshua Weigel took Best Film [reuters.com] for "Stained" at the 168 Film Festival [168project.com].
Also now Joe Carnahan is shooting "Killing Pablo" [slashfilm.com] on a RED as well.
These aren't cheap DV or HDV cameras, but video nonetheless.
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_GIVE_ head to get into the movie business.
There, I fixed it for you.
the War on Piracy (Score:4, Interesting)
I can say that I've never pirated one of your films. Never even heard of you until this article. I have no idea whether I'd want to see one, and probably am not going to trouble finding out.
As one who is in the same business as the MAFIAA, what have you to say about piracy and copyright, and the lawsuits by your fellow entertainment providers?
practice throwing your resume at the ceiling (Score:2)
It's simply a numbers game. Having talent helps a little, Knowing people helps a little. Having a huge amount of money helps a lot. Without the money a tiny minority will make it but it's purely down to chance. As an expert,
Why would you want to? (Score:2)
Having done some work on the fringes of the film business, I don't want much to do with it. Projects in development have no money (it took one outfit three tries to send me a credit card number that didn't bounce) and projects in production have no time (they want new features yesterday). People get into film for ego, not money; there are far easier ways to make a few million dollars.
You get to go to good parties and meet actress/model/waitress types, though.
Ask Donald Trump How to Install Drywall (Score:3, Funny)
Balancing Art & Business (Score:2)
Thanks for agreeing to this unorthodox interview.
How does one successfully balance the art of moviemaking with the business of moviemaking?
The largest grossing movies have consistently been G, PG or PG-13, probably due to the larger available audience and the fact that people may attend good movies more than once. It is more difficult to find viable scripts that will can be kept in that rating range, than R or higher ratings?
In your opinion, how much of script selection is luck versus skill versus whate
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Let's get down to the brass tacks...
Which means someone is providing production seed money and he's the face in front of the money.
Here's a the how-to for you sysadmins that want to become Directors.
1. Have a great premise. Remake one of shakespere's plays. (again) Keep the story happening in one or two places you can film in for 8-10 hours at a time without interruption or legal overhead.
2. Have a great script. You've got to turn your re-hashed Classic into a _great_ script.
---Pause to Decide----
You know you are doing a good job if it has been hard work getting this far. This is where you decide if you want to make it yourself or try to shop the script taking the very real risk that a good script from a nobody will probably get knocked off with no financial recourse available.
---I want the Whole Enchilada---
3. Shop your script to every dentist, lawyer, bigwig in town. You need ~$50-100,000 to get a decent-looking production. They get some control, so when they want a cameo or their granddaughter to have a role, the answer is "yes." Believe me, this is how it's done everywhere.
4. Production planning marathon during every waking hour you are not working your day job.
5. Hire filming staff. Make sure your lighting person understands working digital.
6. Take a two-week vacation from your day job in which you will shoot your film.
7. Edit a rough cut. Show to your backers and ask for more money for a good editing, foley, etc.
8. Sell! Sell! Sell! Film festivals, cable tv, independent movie houses. Sell! Sell!
That should be about 2-5 years work for the average fully-employed sysadmin. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
You will have earned your movie-making stripes and can call yourself a director!!
I have a superb movie idea... (Score:2)
I know my idea is good. I know it's marketable. And $200 million dollar movie idea if done right.
Where to begin? And how much info should I provide and to whom and when?
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From the series to the finale (Score:2)
The director was hoping to cap the series off with a feature-length finale (and DVD release of the series episodes). If a studio were to back such a venture, would they want more of an intro/rehash/summary scenario (for new viewers) or would they trust in the existing fan base to pick up
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Larry, I Have A Movie Script, But Not An Agent... (Score:2)
I have a movie script. Not an idea, not random scribbling, but a 120 page script in proper format (courtesy Final Draft) on a topical item (robots), with a proper beginning, middle, and end.
What I don't have is an agent, contacts in the industry, or a lot of money to spend to pay other people to read my work on my own dime. What is my most effective course of action next to lead to an eventual sale and resulting movie? Are there new places to look beyond the traditional venues for an aspiring s
How's the biz changing? (Score:2)
Getting a little camera time (Score:3, Interesting)
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Documentaries? (Score:4, Interesting)
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Worst of all is that from what I have heard the big studios are now mostly run (from inside or outside, i.e. investment firms) by pure business people that have no knack or background in films, they just want a guaranteed profit. You c
Interview Question (Score:2, Interesting)
Since most of us on Slashdot are technical in some way:
When working on a movie set, are IT professionals involved?
If so, are they hired "in-house" or contracted from local IT consulting firms? What tasks are they involved in (i.e. pc support, networking, digital storage, etc)?
I had the unique opportunity to watch a portion of the filming of the movie "This Side of the Truth" (a comedy coming in 2009). They were filming at the apartment complex across the street. I noticed that there was a lot of A/V equi
What about a script only? (Score:2, Insightful)
So, out of curiosity... (Score:2)
Addictions, addictions (Score:2)
A best way to handle music rights for soundtrack? (Score:2)
For example, I do all of my creative thinking as montages to a particular song that inspires me, and extrapolate from there, so many of my scenes are cut to match the music of a specific song.
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2. Write and submit spec scripts.
This is where it gets sketchy. If they are reputable, they'll figure out some way to throw you a bone. You might not get paid, but you might get a credit. If they are not reputable, they'll steal your ideas outright. It's a coin toss.
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