How much experience do most Indian programmers have? It seems to me that in ramping up from a few hundred to thosands of programmers over the past few years, most of these people must be fresh out of school... how much training do people need before they start producing reliable results?
Related to the experience question: Many US business pundits claim that the US is only outsourcing the low end code monkey and support jobs, and is keeping the higher end, more prestigeous "project management" and architect jobs in the US?
First, is this the case? or is India also excelling in architectural and design work?
If it is the case, is there a resentment for the imperialistic attitude in only giving India the low end projects?
Finally, in a land where there are real monkeys am I making a big cultural blunder by calling people "code monkeys"?
First, is this the case? or is India also excelling in architectural and design work?
(Request: Look on google for news links yourself... at 0032hrs IST and back home after 12hrs work day coding/debugging I'm too lazy to look it for you)
GE India filed 500+ patents last year . Lastest Intel Xeon was developed in Intel India development center. Fastest selling TI DSP was designed in TI India (Bangalore center). So yes, Indian's are getting good work... though its not universally the case.
They are taking ALL of our jobs... we were so Naive to assume they were just doing what you call "monkey coding", but they (Indians) are highly educated, because their government gives them a far greater opportunity to go to college (something that just don't exist here).
With over 1000 tradeschools, supplimenting very good colleges (free for most Indians), we haven't got a chance until our government steps in and does something to save our jobs.
Hats off to CNN and their "exporting America" for brin
I agree education is a very big part of the equation...however, I would disagree that it is a matter of governments paying for education. In the last 40 years the US has piled money into schools. Far too much of the money was just flittered away. Whether or not Americans pay for education through loans or through really high taxes, the inefficiencies of US education is a big negative for the US. At least, we have large agencies that worry about self-esteemed, and unemployed Americans excesses of self-esteem
Probably 1 in 1000 Indians has the *opportunity* to attend a technical college, or college with a technical degree. The ratio in America is about 1 in 2.
This is my sentiment exactly. The only real avenue for this sort of union like organizations in the tech industry, that I know of, are corporations with a great reputation. It comes as no surprise that our entire industry faces this sort of situation without a common work force that sets a high standard for quality.
It might be a good idea to analyze the methods of companies that program software for airlines and medical equipment. What we need is a union, much like steel worker unions, to bring us toget
My experience is that the main use of the term "code monkey" is by programmers in situations where the boss is not giving them enough respect. A statement might be: "????? is a bad manager, he treats people like code monkeys." Or, a rebuttal "I am not a code monkey." The truth of the matter is that programmers are often good at breaking institutionalized oppression.
My experience with unionization so far is that unionization itself is institutionalized oppression. The first goal of a union would be to sh
All this talk about "needing a union" as a result of this outsourcing leads me to a conspiracy theory. If you follow the money, where does it go? That's right, your compassionate liberals have lost their union base (apart from the government, which, though nominally run by "conservatives" is made up entirely of card carrying "liberal" union-members.) So the coporate outsourcing trend is more than 2 parts fearmongering (you can tell, because it's in the media, an exclusive liberal medium) to try to drum u
As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing.
Average experience? (Score:5, Interesting)
Code Monkeys v. Architect? (Score:5, Interesting)
First, is this the case? or is India also excelling in architectural and design work?
If it is the case, is there a resentment for the imperialistic attitude in only giving India the low end projects?
Finally, in a land where there are real monkeys am I making a big cultural blunder by calling people "code monkeys"?
Re:Code Monkeys v. Architect? (Score:2)
(Request: Look on google for news links yourself... at 0032hrs IST and back home after 12hrs work day coding/debugging I'm too lazy to look it for you)
GE India filed 500+ patents last year . Lastest Intel Xeon was developed in Intel India development center. Fastest selling TI DSP was designed in TI India (Bangalore center). So yes, Indian's are getting good work... though its not universally the case.
Re:Code Monkeys v. Architect? (Score:2)
Re:Code Monkeys v. Architect? (Score:1, Insightful)
With over 1000 tradeschools, supplimenting very good colleges (free for most Indians), we haven't got a chance until our government steps in and does something to save our jobs.
Hats off to CNN and their "exporting America" for brin
Schools (Score:1)
Re:Code Monkeys v. Architect? (Score:1)
Re:Code Monkeys v. Architect? (Score:1)
It might be a good idea to analyze the methods of companies that program software for airlines and medical equipment. What we need is a union, much like steel worker unions, to bring us toget
Re:Code Monkeys v. Architect? (Score:2, Insightful)
My experience with unionization so far is that unionization itself is institutionalized oppression. The first goal of a union would be to sh
Re:Code Monkeys v. Architect? (Score:1)