one of the aspects of gamergate that really bothers me is the immediate dismissal of anyone that suggests corruption is a problem is just using it as a cover for misogyny. It has led to an attitude that corruption is only a problem among liberals.
Do you think that corporate sponsored politicians undermining women's health is a bigger problem than depictions of women in art? And what would you propose could be done to disassociate arguments against corruption from gamergate?
I would partially agree with the statement, but the truth of the matter is that the only media outlets that covered gamergate largely were Milo Yiannopoulos and Christina Hoff Sommers, who are both associated with right-wing organizations. If you ever monitor the ongoings of Gamergate forums, there is much bellyaching against "leftists" or "SJWs" from a slice of the population that doesn't really have too much interaction with politics at large. When these kids see corruption within their small sphere of aw
Avatar EndlessWinter Slav 9 months ago Sorry for coming in so late, but let me respond with this:
Does anyone actually support the harassers?
In comparison, the anti-GG folks have doxxed and harassed numerous GG supporters to date (around 2 dozen doxxed, I believe?), called some of their employers to try to get them fired for being pro-GG (and were successful in at least one case), and actually had notable personalities openly dox at least one person, and an open web campaign to falsely report him to the LAPD (which also included his dox as it described how to fill out the police report with accurate info for him).
Do you think that opposing GGs views requires death threats, doxxing, trying to get people with jobs wholly unrelated to the topics of GG fired, sending people syringes and knives with notes telling them to kill themselves, and attempts to get someone arrested on false pretenses? If you are supporting the anti-GG people, then you are actively supporting those behaviors. Or, you could accept that a comparatively small handful of trolls on either side are the source of most of it, and not try to pretend that it's representative of the whole of either side, but you don't get to have it both ways.
During these ten months gamers have been labeled trolls, denied right of answer from the gaming industry, denied rightful representation on the media, denied balanced representation on Wikipedia.
You guys did not punish the two original trolls: the people who were against quinn and fish made sure quinn won't do any new games (she opened Crash Override Network instead of honing her writing skills and finding a new gig in gaming), instead they created twitter accounts with Penn Gillette and started doxxing people from the industry together with gamergate participants, while you all were screaming "it's all gamergate!".
Now you have a narrative where the gamers are horrible people to avoid and sites telling you "oh yes, it's ok if slashdot or reddit will not give you information about PIPA and SOPA and Net Neutrality or DMCA , you know, first amendment protects you from government arrests and speech shutdown" (like that worked under senator McCarthy and the Hayes Code for example).
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GamerGate is not a partisan movement.
I would partially agree with the statement, but the truth of the matter is that the only media outlets that covered gamergate largely were Milo Yiannopoulos and Christina Hoff Sommers, who are both associated with right-wing organizations. If you ever monitor the ongoings of Gamergate forums, there is much bellyaching against "leftists" or "SJWs" from a slice of the population that doesn't really have too much interaction with politics at large. When these kids see corruption within their small sphere of aw
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> They see "feminists" as outsiders trying to destroy their main source of entertainment.
Well...
http://www.destructoid.com/fun-isn-t-enough-why-video-games-have-to-move-beyond-simple-escapism-30905.phtml
http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/1/8687867/rock-band-4-preview
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/a-reminder-that-video-games-dont-have-to-be-fun
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/129891/who_says_video_games_have_to_be_.php
http://gamasutra.com/blogs/DevinWilson/20140828/224450/A_Guide_to_Ending_quotGamersquot.php
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/gamergate-developer-tim-schafer-provokes-rage-with-joke-about-online-gaming-activists-at-industry-awards-10089124.html
http://clatl.com/freshloaf/archives/2013/08/29/digra-and-moda-kick-start-atlantas-young-gaming-culture
http://www.firstpersonscholar.com/we-will-force-gaming-to-be-free/
Which spawned this reply I will quote here:
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EndlessWinter Slav 9 months ago
Sorry for coming in so late, but let me respond with this:
Does anyone actually support the harassers?
In comparison, the anti-GG folks have doxxed and harassed numerous GG supporters to date (around 2 dozen doxxed, I believe?), called some of their employers to try to get them fired for being pro-GG (and were successful in at least one case), and actually had notable personalities openly dox at least one person, and an open web campaign to falsely report him to the LAPD (which also included his dox as it described how to fill out the police report with accurate info for him).
Do you think that opposing GGs views requires death threats, doxxing, trying to get people with jobs wholly unrelated to the topics of GG fired, sending people syringes and knives with notes telling them to kill themselves, and attempts to get someone arrested on false pretenses? If you are supporting the anti-GG people, then you are actively supporting those behaviors. Or, you could accept that a comparatively small handful of trolls on either side are the source of most of it, and not try to pretend that it's representative of the whole of either side, but you don't get to have it both ways.
During these ten months gamers have been labeled trolls, denied right of answer from the gaming industry, denied rightful representation on the media, denied balanced representation on Wikipedia.
You guys did not punish the two original trolls: the people who were against quinn and fish made sure quinn won't do any new games (she opened Crash Override Network instead of honing her writing skills and finding a new gig in gaming), instead they created twitter accounts with Penn Gillette and started doxxing people from the industry together with gamergate participants, while you all were screaming "it's all gamergate!".
Now you have a narrative where the gamers are horrible people to avoid and sites telling you "oh yes, it's ok if slashdot or reddit will not give you information about PIPA and SOPA and Net Neutrality or DMCA , you know, first amendment protects you from government arrests and speech shutdown" (like that worked under senator McCarthy and the Hayes Code for example).