by Anonymous Coward writes:
on Thursday June 25, 2015 @01:35PM (#49986985)
Because no one wants Linux on a laptop.
The interface sucks, it's buggier than the latest Windows (7 on), commercial software doesn't work (games, office, specialist software- yes I know of WINE but that isn't installed out of the box on any distro I know of and doesn't always work anyway), too many choices (what distro? What DE?) people don't want to learn a new OS, hardware support (especially printers and WiFi) still sucks, battery life in Linux is atrocious (cuts life in half compared to windows), etc.
Sorry guys, but Windows 7 on (even 8) are miles ahead of the most user friendly distro (Mint, correct me if there's a better one out there).
I want Linux on a laptop. The bulk of my work involves connecting at the command-line to other systems, sometimes through SSH, sometimes through serial. I like that the same command-line interface for initiating these connections is also the command line interface through which I can manipulate files in the filesystem, edit files through text editors, and manipulate files through command-line utilities.
While usually I can do my work from the office, sometimes I have to work in the field too. It's much easier to have one computer doing that work than it is to have one at the office, one out in the field, and one at home. Unfortunately the newest batch of portable computers, the convertible tablets, don't work well with X-Windows. This means having to have a separate computer at the office to connect into in order to work out of if I want access to everything that is helpful.
I've played with OSX-based laptops, I find the GUI clunky when it comes to working with multiple terminal windows, as Apple has taken the approach of using Apple-Tab to switch between applications, rather than switch between windows. It's more awkward than it should be to switch between multiple terminal sessions quickly. It also doesn't help that Apple has removed important keys from the keyboard, like pgup/pgdn, home/end, back-tab as shift of tab, and the distinction between backspace and delete, so a lot of the keys and combinations that I use effectively aren't available to me on the Mac.
I've played with OSX-based laptops, I find the GUI clunky when it comes to working with multiple terminal windows, as Apple has taken the approach of using Apple-Tab to switch between applications, rather than switch between windows. It's more awkward than it should be to switch between multiple terminal sessions quickly.
Use option-tab to switch between windows in an application on OS X.
Use option-tab to switch between windows in an application on OS X.
Strike that. It's Command + `. Was at a Windows 7 computer when I wrote that, got home and switched Safari windows on my computer & realized I accidentally told you the wrong thing.
Knowing how to use a tool most definitely makes it "more useful". Whether it makes it more useful than another tool for the same job is another question.
Sure, I'm not saying people don't want Linux on a laptop, I'm questioning if it is important that you can buy a laptop with Linux pre-installed.
What do most geeks and companies do with laptops immediately after buying them? They wipe them and install their own OS, be it Linux or Windows. Clear out all the shovelware and other random crap that comes pre-installed, get everything set up the way they want. So I don't think the lack of Linux based laptops at retail is a problem, as long as manufacturers don't p
Pretty much. My only real concern with a preloaded Linux install is that they'll probably pick a distro that I don't use, and if they've done any specific extra work to make their own packages, and there won't be packages for my distro available.
Even still, could be worse, at least there's a chance that more enterprising people than myself will build packages for my distro.
I switched this year to an all-linux environment. Previously, I mainly used Cygwin and VirtualBox on Windows to carry out development and local administration of web projects. There were always issues with things like file permissions and line endings along with the mental overhead of working across two separate OS. As I was already experienced with Linux, switching to Ubuntu on a new 5th gen i5 / 8GB was a breeze. It was a great relief to move into a homogeneous environment and as I fleshed
I just asked myself... what would John DeLorean do?
-- Raoul Duke
Laptops (Score:5, Interesting)
Why do you think its still near-impossible to buy a laptop with Linux preinstalled?
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Because no one wants Linux on a laptop.
The interface sucks, it's buggier than the latest Windows (7 on), commercial software doesn't work (games, office, specialist software- yes I know of WINE but that isn't installed out of the box on any distro I know of and doesn't always work anyway), too many choices (what distro? What DE?) people don't want to learn a new OS, hardware support (especially printers and WiFi) still sucks, battery life in Linux is atrocious (cuts life in half compared to windows), etc.
Sorry guys, but Windows 7 on (even 8) are miles ahead of the most user friendly distro (Mint, correct me if there's a better one out there).
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While usually I can do my work from the office, sometimes I have to work in the field too. It's much easier to have one computer doing that work than it is to have one at the office, one out in the field, and one at home. Unfortunately the newest batch of portable computers, the convertible tablets, don't work well with X-Windows. This means having to have a separate computer at the office to connect into in order to work out of if I want access to everything that is helpful.
I've played with OSX-based laptops, I find the GUI clunky when it comes to working with multiple terminal windows, as Apple has taken the approach of using Apple-Tab to switch between applications, rather than switch between windows. It's more awkward than it should be to switch between multiple terminal sessions quickly. It also doesn't help that Apple has removed important keys from the keyboard, like pgup/pgdn, home/end, back-tab as shift of tab, and the distinction between backspace and delete, so a lot of the keys and combinations that I use effectively aren't available to me on the Mac.
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I've played with OSX-based laptops, I find the GUI clunky when it comes to working with multiple terminal windows, as Apple has taken the approach of using Apple-Tab to switch between applications, rather than switch between windows. It's more awkward than it should be to switch between multiple terminal sessions quickly.
Use option-tab to switch between windows in an application on OS X.
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Use option-tab to switch between windows in an application on OS X.
Strike that. It's Command + `. Was at a Windows 7 computer when I wrote that, got home and switched Safari windows on my computer & realized I accidentally told you the wrong thing.
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Sure, I'm not saying people don't want Linux on a laptop, I'm questioning if it is important that you can buy a laptop with Linux pre-installed.
What do most geeks and companies do with laptops immediately after buying them? They wipe them and install their own OS, be it Linux or Windows. Clear out all the shovelware and other random crap that comes pre-installed, get everything set up the way they want. So I don't think the lack of Linux based laptops at retail is a problem, as long as manufacturers don't p
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Even still, could be worse, at least there's a chance that more enterprising people than myself will build packages for my distro.
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So you don't see any problem with people being made to pay for a copy of windows they don't want and will never use?
I sure do.
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You can buy laptops without Windows, but yeah it does kinda suck. At least you can get a refund.
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I have been running Debian Linux on Laptops, Desktops, and Severs for at least 10 years with great success!
So go back to running Windoze, and just ignore
Because no one wants Linux on a laptop...? (Score:1)
No one? Really?
I switched this year to an all-linux environment. Previously, I mainly used Cygwin and VirtualBox on Windows to carry out development and local administration of web projects. There were always issues with things like file permissions and line endings along with the mental overhead of working across two separate OS. As I was already experienced with Linux, switching to Ubuntu on a new 5th gen i5 / 8GB was a breeze. It was a great relief to move into a homogeneous environment and as I fleshed