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Ask Sam Ramji About the CodePlex Foundation 77

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from the life-after-microsoft dept.
This week the Codeplex Foundation announced its first project, the ASP.NET Ajax Library Project, as part of its first sponsored gallery, the ASP.NET Gallery. The CodePlex Foundation is now two months old, and Foundation President Sam Ramji has agreed to answer questions about the Foundation, its first project, and overall progress to date. Usual Slashdot interview rules apply.
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Ask Sam Ramji About the CodePlex Foundation

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  • What do you say to the inevitable flood of "advocates" who claim Microsoft is doing this sort of thing to subvert FOSS?

    Bonus points: Do you see Microsoft headed in the same general direction as Google and IBM where the core products and IP are held close to the chest while some of the more peripheral stuff (not key to revenue) is released under open licenses? Recent news like the open sourcing of one of the versions of the .NET framework make it seem that way.

    Double bonus points: Do you see Microsoft ever r

    • How can you and your cohorts look yourselves in the mirror knowing that you've worked at and succeeded in making bad engineering acceptable and a common occurrance?
      • by Rycross (836649)
        You might want to be consistent in checking "Post Anonymously" the next time you spam [slashdot.org] the same comment [slashdot.org] all over a story.
        • You might want to lift up a comment that was posted anonymously. There's a lot that gets posted, anonymously. Some of it good, but almost none of it breaks the 1+ threshold because of starting at 0 and for other reasons.

          The bad engineering is a legitimate question. Bill Gates and his helpers have made computers synonymous with unreliable. Sam looks like he is working to bring that to Open Source.

  • by SanityInAnarchy (655584) <ninja@slaphack.com> on Wednesday November 18, 2009 @01:28PM (#30145840) Journal

    Will priority be given to those using Microsoft tools, or can anyone play?

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by nametaken (610866)

      From the FAQ:

      "Q: What kinds of open source projects will the Foundation focus on?
      The Foundation has no pre-suppositions about particular projects, platforms, or open source licenses . "

  • Question: (Score:5, Funny)

    by eln (21727) on Wednesday November 18, 2009 @01:30PM (#30145864) Homepage
    How do you plan to integrate Ajax into the Web 2.0 Cloud to empower the Semantic Web using SaaS on top of a SOAP backend utilizing XML? What is the signal-to-buzzword ratio in day-to-day communications at your foundation? Isn't Ajax just soooo 2007, and shouldn't you rename your new project something more up-to-date, such as Tweetbook.blog?
  • SourceForge.net (Score:5, Insightful)

    by rs232 (849320) on Wednesday November 18, 2009 @01:30PM (#30145866)

    Why not contribute to SourceForge.net instead of unnecessarly duplicating it?

    • Re: (Score:1, Troll)

      by middlemen (765373)

      Why not contribute to SourceForge.net instead of unnecessarly duplicating it?

      That's because SourceForget.net is not pure .NET!

    • Re:SourceForge.net (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Abcd1234 (188840) on Wednesday November 18, 2009 @01:53PM (#30146210) Homepage

      Ugh, 'cuz sourceforge sucks balls? Shitty layout. Slow as hell. Seriously, I welcome a decent alternative to SourceForge (not that this is necessarily it).

    • Because that's what big companies do [google.com].

    • Re:SourceForge.net (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Blakey Rat (99501) on Wednesday November 18, 2009 @03:50PM (#30147736)

      Have you ever tried to use Sourceforge? It's slow, ugly, constantly gives vague errors, image uploads constantly fail, terrible UI, forgets which page you were on before logging in, awful bug tracking with insultingly-named fields (canned response!)...

      A better question is, "why would any project actually interested in user feedback use Sourceforge?"

    • Why are there a gazillion different Linux distros...shouldn't they all just contribute to TheOneRealLinux.org instead of unnecessarily duplicating it?

      ...

      In fact, linux should just go away and help contribute to Unix. Then they can call it:

      Unix: The Real Linux.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Assuming you're comparing CodePlex the website (which isn't the same thing as CodePlex the foundation) to SourceForge, then I'd imagine one reason is that CodePlex uses TFS for source control and related stuff. Aside from being a showcase, some people might actually prefer that to SourceForge offerings, especially when they code to MS stack already, and use non-Express Visual Studio edition (which has decent TFS integration).

    • by Gerald (9696)

      Because each parent company answers to a different set of investors?

  • "IP needs"? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by SanityInAnarchy (655584) <ninja@slaphack.com> on Wednesday November 18, 2009 @01:30PM (#30145872) Journal

    From your FAQ:

    We wanted a foundation that addresses a full spectrum of software projects, and does so with the licensing and intellectual property needs of commercial software companies in mind.

    This seems to imply that there are existing foundations that do so without those licensing and IP needs. Regardless, what do you see as the role of a foundation like yours in addressing the needs of commercial software companies?

  • by LordMyren (15499)
    is your svn hosted on a 386? is it in someone's closet, on a dsl line? why is your source repository humiliatingly unbearably slow, and why does it take minutes for an svn update to even start? is the abominable performance a hardware, or software issue?
  • Does the issue of the extreme hostility to Microsoft across the FOSS community come up much when you're planning this sort of thing?
  • Microsoft Front (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mounthood (993037) on Wednesday November 18, 2009 @02:27PM (#30146700)
    Half the Board of Directors, and half of the Advisory Board are from Microsoft. Why should we think that this anything but a Microsoft front?

    The about page [codeplex.org] says "Our Board of Directors is an interim board" and that they will pick the new board but that's no too encouraging given who's doing the picking. CodePlex seems like Microsoft trying to create a community.
    • by nschubach (922175)

      ...or leverage their position to entice people wishing to be on the committee.

      I mean look at it like this:

      "Hi, I'm on the board of this source management software site and I also happen to work at Microsoft. If you promise to drop all development for ____ platform (or create Microsoft compliant hardware), I'll ensure you are voted into a chair of this advisory committee, then you can encourage the community to write applications that work with your systems and our systems! It's a win-win situation, you se

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by ClosedSource (238333)

      "Half the Board of Directors, and half of the Advisory Board are from Microsoft. Why should we think that this anything but a Microsoft front?"

      Because if it were a "front" you wouldn't have known that Microsoft was involved.

    • by ssyladin (458003)

      What the heck? You mean they're somehow pretending to NOT be a Microsoft front?

      I've gone to CodePlex several times for various curiosities, such as a graphics engine [codeplex.com] or neato research oriented OS [codeplex.com]. Every time I've gone to CodePlex I've only seen Microsoft Research spinouts or code built for Microsoft stacks.

      I thought it was just Microsoft's "community" site from the get go - never knew they were trying to avoid that branding.

      • Re: (Score:1, Troll)

        by poetmatt (793785)

        Yes, they're trying to hide the Microsoft link - basically this is like mono all over again, just renamed and changed. Something patent encumbered and not at all open source friendly in spirit or in name.

  • by zegota (1105649)
    Can you give us an update on the development of Spider-Man 3?
  • Why does the ASP.NET AJAX library need a 400k .js file? Isn't that a bit excessive???
  • I recently had to deal with Codeplex in order to track down a bug on code hosted therein that we were using at my workplace. This is fine, I am quite happy to work with free projects in order to track down bugs. Unfortunately, I got the impression that Codeplex doesn't "get" what free collaboration is about.

    For instance, it has a clickthrough for GPL and other free licenses. While harmless, it is annoying and shows that Microsoft doesn't "get" it. I also had issues doing an svn checkout of the code, sinc

  • Hi Sam,
    Codeplex claims to be an "open source project community". So why no GPLv3? If fact, why was GPLv3 actually *removed*? And how is this in the interests of the "community" of which you claim to represent?

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