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How about slashdot personals? (Score:5, Funny)
Divorced geek, uses Debian (and installed it with the original installer, natch), can code some perl, works as an IT geek for a small non-profit. Likes installing alternate OSes for fun and experimenting with various window managers. Cross platform and virus free.
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Re:How about slashdot personals? (Score:4, Interesting)
Look buddy, if you're trying to get matches, you have to be specific. You've just described 84% of slashdotters!
* The other 16% being mac fanboys
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Re:Every woman's criteria are the same (Score:4, Insightful)
Intelligence: higher than most
Financial stability: most of us have a decent income and some own businesses and/or investments
Violent tendencies: unlikely
Interests: more in tune with theirs than you realize
Liar tendencies: we are likely to be more honest
Confidence and smoothness is actually easy to learn. Take sales training and go to Toastmasters for a few months, and you'll be irresistible to most women.
Physical appearance can be adjusted if it has been neglected.
I have a website http://www.hotprofiletips.com/ [hotprofiletips.com] where I show how to write effective profiles.
They like us a lot, but there is a communications barrier in most cases. This barrier dissipates with time.
Most of my friends are married with kids.
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I for one (Score:5, Funny)
You beat me to it. (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:You beat me to it. (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:You beat me to it. (Score:4, Funny)
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Dear Bennet, (Score:5, Funny)
Guess I'm a lucky one (Score:5, Funny)
Me too! (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Guess I'm a lucky one (Score:5, Funny)
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Do the rest of us a favour- just shoot yourself. (Score:5, Insightful)
We don't need YAUDSBSWWTMAMBOOOPM (Yet Another Useless Dating Site by Someone Who Wants To Make A Million Bucks Off Of Other People's Misery).
Really, just admit that you don't know how to meet other people, and that you figure if you're running a dating site, you'll get to skim all the ads, etc., AND make money without having to really work. Its not going to happen.
Re:Do the rest of us a favour- just shoot yourself (Score:5, Interesting)
Aha, but there is the reason why nobody uses his system. His system is designed to reduce effort and increase results. This means that the users will have to visit the site less, and stop using it earlier. This means fewer page hits, fewer users, fewer subscribers. This means less profit. The dating services are not in the business of hooking people up, they are in the business of selling subscriptions and advertisements. You get more page hits (more ads) and more subscription fees by _not_ doing a good job of hooking people up.
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Except... (Score:4, Interesting)
You're assuming that users will continue to come back to a service that doesn't do a good job of hooking people up. Though some certainly may, others may not, and a poor system will not garner more New users.
Would you keep going to a mechanic that fixes the problem completely or only fixes it temporarily, requiring you to come back in 1 month and fix it again? By your logic, that's what the mechanic shoudl do to gain more revenue. Now imagine you have 2 dating services; 1 has high success rates, the other not so much. Which will you go to?
If this guy develops his system, and it increases success, people will flock to his system and increase his ca$h flow.
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Re:Do the rest of us a favour- just shoot yourself (Score:4, Informative)
Your example is lacking in so many ways too. First, not all tariffs are to prop up inefficient companies. Some set to equalize the monetary differences while others intend on compensating for the difference in living conditions, (Read sweat shops and slave labor). You can hardly claim that it would be because of inefficient businesses when the labor costs are below not only a minimum wage in the US, but the level of poverty in the US. You also can't claim the company is inefficient when currency values take a relatively similar economy and deflate the purchasing parity on one or the other.
Voters would baulk at it because it is insane. First, even removing tarrifs is one thing, even though it would cause a loss of jobs in some cases, second, the government can't just pay people. They have to take taxes in to cover their expense. To truly compensate for the effects of tariffs, you would bankrupt the country with pay outs.
Now that being said, I'm not in favor of tariffs. But there are some things that need to be done in order to stop every job from going to india or China just to see the currency and living conditions reverse after a while and end up being a hostage to their whims without any manufacturing or what be it on the main land. That is why other countries have tariffs on our goods, Because we can market a dependency on their economy that they aren't willing to have. In order for there to be a true tariff free environment, there have to be a universal prevailing wage system and economic parity across the borders other wise in only benefits one side for the short term and the other in the long term. But the composed benefits aren't near equal. And you think IQ and age has something to do with understanding or rejecting your idea. It has more to do with sanity, IE sane or insane.
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Here is the problem (Score:5, Insightful)
Men are marginalized by men who only want sex.
Fix that and you're rich.
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After the system has been keeping track of who contacts you and who you respond to, the site lists your profile in other people's search results along with your criteria-specific response rate: "Lisa has responded to 56% of people who contacted her who meet her criteria."
The criteria specific response rate would maybe be better if it was changed to "Lisa is pretty easy". Less thinking about numbers, more of what you really want to know!
Little real-life experience here.. (Score:5, Interesting)
Then I started getting calls from my younger sisters. Mom's an internet addict. Quite the shocker, as this was the same woman who used to dream about throwing the computer out the window when my dad was alive. So now she's flying off around the country meeting men and having dirty phone conversations with them and she bought a webcam. So I decided maybe I should talk to mom and let her know that people on the Internet are RARELY who they seem to be, especially the trolls you find on yahoo chat. Of course it didn't faze her. These guys were way too smooth to be cock-blocked by some punk college freshman.
She abused her relationships with every one of us kids in order to please some short fat little illegal hispanic from Houston, 10 years her junior, and now he's taken every dime she had and now that he's got his green card, looks to be planning his escape. Judging by what all of his brothers have done, it would be the rule rather than the exception. Unfortunately for my mother she STILL doesn't see it coming, even after he wiped her bank account out, and now demanded they have seperate bank accounts since he got a nice paying job.
True not every relationship formed from online 'dating' could or would end up this way, but I don't think either of them got what they bargained for. It's too easy to lie online, they're both guilty of it, and now they're going to pay the consequences. He will run off with his new citizenship card, and she will have to try to repair all the damage she's done to her family in the hopes that someone will take her in.
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Re:Little real-life experience here.. (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Little real-life experience here.. (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Here is the problem (Score:4, Funny)
Men are marginalized by men who only want sex.
Fix that and you're rich.
95.2% of the women who have replied to this man are still alive.
Women who date this man report an average of 8.3 minutes cuddling after he gets what he wants.
Gimme my money.
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Alternatives (Score:5, Informative)
First off, if you want to get rid of the stupid membership fee structure of Yahoo! et al., try Plenty of Fish [plentyoffish.com]. I met my girlfriend on there.
Second, it is fairly trivial to work around your correspondent not being a member of Yahoo! Personals so long as you are. What I did was put up a web page with a captcha-ish image of my e-mail address and give them the link. Maybe they've closed that loophole by now, but just as with DRM, people will keep finding ways to break the system.
One site that has made it easier to get responses (because someone has to look at your profile and at least click reject if they don't like it) is chemistry.com. However, it's rather expensive, and you can run into the same problem where if your correspondent is not a member, you cannot communicate.
I agree, though, that it is depressing how many more messages the ladies get than the guys (or at least this guy).
Re:Alternatives (Score:5, Interesting)
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I was chatting with an old mate a month or so back. Face to face chatting. You know? He was telling me about his son who I'd not seen in ten years and I was asking questions, as you do. - Where is he? - Out with his new girlfriend in Leeds - Leeds? How did he meet her then? - Same place he meets all his girlfriends; the internet.
Is it really that easy these days?
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Men Hunt, Women Gather (Score:3, Insightful)
Obligatory: http://www.xkcd.com/55/ [xkcd.com]
What hasn't been thought out is the solution question: Will this complex system result in a resolution to loneliness/compatibility faster? Nutshell: More hookups?
I doubt it.
Tedious in the extreme (Score:5, Insightful)
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OKCupid (Score:5, Insightful)
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Just make it like ebay (Score:5, Funny)
Good dater. A+++ (Score:3, Funny)
Feedback from: hotguy12234:
Great date!!! Recommended. A++++
Feedback from: geeky763:
Never returned phone calls after expensive dinner. Beware!
...because 70 characters of feedback is used so intuitively.
(yes, I caught your sarcasm, and I agree completely)
Re:Just make it like ebay (Score:5, Funny)
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I have a better idea (Score:4, Insightful)
I met my girlfriend at a game night another friend invited me to. Believe me, this method gives you all of the advantages of these silly social networking and dating sites, but without having to do any of the work. This is because this is how human socialization works anyway. You meet people through people, and the more well adapted you are socially, the more people you meet and befriend, and the more you value your interpersonal relationships.
So, P and V (RTFA if you haven't already) both get much bigger, which is always more fun.
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I think it's great that this works for you, but I don't understand why you assume that your method would be best for everyone.
I have a lot of friends. I'm pretty good in social situations. And I do very well in relationships. But it is agony for me to make the leap from introduction to date. I could go out tonight and easily meet ten women. Easily. Asking one of them out would be the hardest thing I'd do all week.
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Re:I have a better idea (for me, anyway) (Score:3, Insightful)
some ideas are already in place (Score:5, Interesting)
My interest in those sites isn't in the math and machinery, more in the myth and fiction, the vagaries of self perception.
What I have found is Match.com is useless. Being an avant garde atheist three steps to the left of Rosa Luxembourg always makes me "matchless" on Match.com. Yahoo is better, but I find it oddly untrustworthy - there is something really brittle about it, like it's all fake. That they were sued for leading people on that way doesn't help the atmosphere. Also, on Yahoo, I find the self mythologies more dreary than most. It's all "I want someone from a class rung above me who is in perfect shape to go on long walks on the beach with me." Bleaaah. How. Fucking. Boring. Yahoo seems to have more of that drear than anywhere else.
Okcupid.com though seems to have much more imaginative people on it, and matches are by percentage and run by a variety of tests and systems that are devised by the users themselves. And the self-descriptions re better than Yahoo, for the most part.
Back to work.
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Much simpler solution (Score:3, Insightful)
Also avoid the sites that are completely ad supported or ones with obvious fake postings.
I'll answer this... (Score:5, Funny)
Because your ideas suck? Seriously, you needed 20k to explain yourself? People aren't "shrugging", they're fighting off a coma.
Having watched over the shoulder of some female friends scrolling through their Yahoo Personals inboxes.
And stop stalking your "female friends".
Already been done (Score:4, Interesting)
The idea you're suggesting; namely listing response rate has already been implemented.
I'm a Debian developer, who is interested in kink. There are three big dating sites for that kind of audience:
These are the biggies. There are smaller ones in particular geographical locations, and focussed upon particular kinks.
I think all three suck. Alt.com & Bondage.com are commercial and hard to use unless you pay. Collarme is ful of trolls and fakes.
So, to experiment with different things I setup my own site. I put together a kink-themed website, with a geeky name, ctrl-alt-date [ctrl-alt-date.com].
Unfortunately I'm spoilt by the problem you note, and I didn't expect. Everybody goes to the big three. Sure they suck, but they are (undeniably) where the audience is. More audience == more chance of sex/hookups/relationship.
(I guess there is also something you don't mention. The audience for a dating site is very random. If you get a partner you never return - so you end up with millions of orphan accounts interfering with search results. Its a numbers game to a certain extent too - if site A has 10million members listed you go there over site B with 5 million members. Regardless of whether both have actually only got 3 million active users.)
My site is tiny <1000 users. But it does have some novel ideas coded, and more which I'd like to test if I had the numbers. For example you can simply mark your profile as unavailiable to Straight Men, and that way you never even show up on the search results for a man - perfect if you're a lesbian,for example.
It seems to me that if you're wanting to be found by a new partner you want to do two things:
I'm aiming more at the first point, but the second is interesting too. One idea is allowing random strangers to edit your profile, or leave suggestions on improving it in exchange for perks. THat ups the quality of the profiles at minimal cost.
I could write more about the subject, but I might be boring people - so I'll stop for now.
Three flaws come to mind (Score:5, Insightful)
- The system fails to address new members. What percentage is shown for women who haven't had anyone meeting their criteria reply yet? If the default is zero noone will message them in the first place. If the default is 100, see the next point. If the default is blank, how many messages do you require before it becomes a percentage (see next point).
- It provides major incentive for women to set artificially high secret criteria in order to boost their percentage. If they require someone who makes 500k a year and who is Jewish but was born in the Vatican, they can effectively expect to maintain a 100% listed response rate while only being "required" to respond to a handful of people a year, and can continue to be spectators on the sideline for everyone else.
Halfway decent idea (Score:4, Interesting)
This is what I think we should do to fix the problem.
First identify the problems: 1. Mass mailings. Some guys just send out a ton of emails. Not that hard to fix. Limit each guy to no more than 10 emails/week to people that have written an email response to you already. These are called 'first contacts'.
2. Non-responses. Most women never reply. Sure, they often get a ton of emails (see #1 above). So what? It is just as rude to not reply as it is to send out thousands of email. Again, Not hard to fix: If you have more than 5 unreplied emails 'first contact' emails, you get no additional emails (of ANY kind), all are blocked with an auto-reply saying "not currently replying to emails". Offer a set of standard replies including "Not interested", "I may get back to you in the future.". Using thses does not count as a 'real reply', any emails he sends to you still counts as 'first contact'.
3. Lieing. Everyone lies on the sites. People lie about their age, their weight, their height, their job, their money, how shallow they are, everything. When you actually meet a person, you can click a "met, but rejected" when you do that, you can click one of several reasons for rejecting them, worded to be as polite as possible, but honest. They also get the same form (for you) which must be filled out to get any additional emails. Possible options would include things like "Not ambitious enough", "Physically did not live up to my high standards", "Did not click, but was really nice", etc. etc.
These third party verifications do not become visible until at least 3 people have filled them out for you. Then they become visible with TO YOU you with NO NAMES attached. You have the right to either delete all current feeback results, or make all current feedback results visible to other people, if you so choose.
This gives you personal feedback about what your dates truly did not like. If you get really nice feedback, you can let others see it, so they KNOW you are honest. If you don't, you simply have the issue of not having feedback availble on you.
OkCupid (Score:5, Interesting)
http://www.okcupid.com/faaaq.html [okcupid.com]
who is this guy? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Interesting premise (Score:5, Interesting)
The existence of Adobe Photoshop [youtube.com] (I would say NSFW) is one of many reasons why I won't do online dating.
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Re:What do we call this service? (Score:5, Insightful)
I know assuming promiscuity is fun and all, but one must make room for the possibility of good manners, however rare they may be.
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Re:What do we call this service? (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:What do we call this service? (Score:4, Insightful)
Of course, this leads to a way to game the system. If your criteria are loose except for one criterion that has two characteristics (low probability of somebody meeting it AND low deterrence to somebody who doesn't meet it) then you'll still get lots of emails from people who technically don't meet ALL of your criteria. Your response rate will still reflect a high response rate to individuals who meet all of your criteria even though you're getting emails from many mostly-qualified people and not responding to many of them.
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Re:What do we call this service? (Score:4, Interesting)
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